I prefer the web-stats at W3Schools.com a lot more than the other ones:
- Google’s Chrome-browser up 10 % points in the last year to 17% share – 140% growth-
- Mozilla’s FireFox down a couple % to 45.8% share – about even
- IE down 8 points to 30.7% – 22% drop
- That other OS fell from 89.3% to 87.6% in the year, down 2%
- GNU/Linux rose from 4.2% to 4.9%, up 17% year over year
There we have the story. Almost a year after releasing the great “7″ that other OS has lost a lot of ground, millions of users. “7″ has only 22% share despite being recommended by the “partners” and almost exclusively found on shelves by consumers. The monopoly could have installed “7″ on nearly 350 million PCs but missed out on 50 million or so. XP went on a lot of those but so did GNU/Linux. By those numbers GNU/Linux is now on 70 million PCs. I think GNU/Linux is much higher than that just because of language/regional barriers to the web stats.
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I know that “Ballmer: Linux bigger than Mac” + image showing Linux marketshare more than 6%. But anyway it’d be interesting to read why you think W3school is somehow better than other marketshare studies. There are lot of developers there in that “gallup” i think so.
And one thing: why did Ballmer think last year that Linux has atleast 6% marketshare on desktops. What’s that study?
http://www.osnews.com/img/21035/ballmermacs.png
The other market share studies that are visible on the web are web statistics and not very reliable (as is W3Schools). The difference is that W3Schools is somewhat representative of those getting into web development. The site is more M$-centric with .ASP and the like so I think it does not overestimate GNU/Linux. It does give numbers for MacOS in line with Apple’s unit sales numbers in SEC filings.
I do not know NetApplications web sites. I suspect many are business-to-business rather than consumer-oriented and North America/Europe which would explain the excess weight MacOS gets there and how GNU/Linux is discounted. I would like to see Google’s numbers. How much do you think Google would charge for their webstats?
That you can find non-GNU/Linux sites on the web with numbers up to about 20% share for thousands of visitors from other parts of the world suggests 1%-ish is far too low to be real. I suspect W3Schools is low too because the majority of English-speaking business IT in North America use that other OS at least for some servers.
I don’t know where Ballmer got his numbers but IDC and others sell surveys for $thousands a copy and he can afford them. I cannot.
e.g. http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?sessionId=&containerId=221296
“I prefer the web-stats at W3Schools.com a lot more than the other ones:”
Why is that, Robert? Because they show Linux desktop usage at 5% or so? Well, consider that this site has appeal to the geekish folk who want to learn about web site design and administration. That is not the common herd by a long shot and such a sample of humanity would be heavily biased towards Linux, particularly since you claim that Linux dominates web server installations.
I would be worried if I were you, Robert, since this survey suggests that 90% or so of the web technicians themselves use Windows, even for things related to Linux.
“I don’t know where Ballmer got his numbers but IDC and others sell surveys for $thousands a copy and he can afford them. I cannot.”
So you remain ignorant of their contents and bravely resist changing your tune, implying that they must be bogus?
Remember this widely announced news? :
(Note the date.)
“Windows Drops Below 90% Market Share”
http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/12/02/1857253
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9121938/Windows_market_share_dives_below_90_for_first_time
After that Net Applications manipulated it’s data. Please, see it yourself that during two years MS market share has not been under 90 %:
http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=9&qpcustom=Windows&qptimeframe=M&qpsp=116&qpnp=25
November 2008 their statistics showed somewhat different. Otherwise there wouldn’t have been such ‘below 90 %’ news.
I doubt a lot of IT people use W3Schools.com. While it may be geeky even school secretaries make web-sites up here and they don’t know w3schools.com exists. I suspect a lot of the traffic is students in school. I put students from Grade 10 up on that site and they run whatever the school has. The platform is not a personal choice or selection of the best platform for the job. Only a couple of percent of visitors are from servers, 2000 and 2003 by the looks. One usually creates web sites from the client machines. It’s called networking.
Lets look at that “brilliant” rebuttal from “Pantloadicus Craptalkticus” shall we?
“Why is that, Robert? Because they show Linux desktop usage at 5% or so? Well, consider that this site has appeal to the geekish folk who want to learn about web site design and administration. That is not the common herd by a long shot and such a sample of humanity would be heavily biased towards Linux, particularly since you claim that Linux dominates web server installations.”
Hmmmmm, no facts there, no numbers either. Just more of the usual “neener neener” routine this clown posts. As to the idea that the site quoted is “geekish”…..well duh! Any such site that measures web usage and statistics is bound to be interesting to the more “geekish” among us whether they be Linux geeks or Windows geeks. Oh, and BTW, Linux DOES have a dominant share of web servers. Interestingly he does let it slip that “such a sample of humanity would be heavily biased towards Linux”. Funny that.
“So you remain ignorant of their contents and bravely resist changing your tune, implying that they must be bogus?”
Well apparently this guy is also “ignorant of their contents” since he has not posted a single number from ANY site. He is just standing on the sidelines following the script like a “cowardly” (bravely) foo plinger hoping to score some points with random attacks.
The facts are that Apache is thoroughly thrashing Microsoft. Sure, some Apache installs are on Windows servers but…..that possibility alone should tell you how much confidence even Windows users themselves have in Microsoft’s web server.
Like “Pantloadicus Craptalkticus” I really have no idea exactly how many people have moved to Linux and are using it. I don’t think anyone does since it does not yet have a market “face” in the retail preloaded computer sector that could be accurately counted.
What I do know is that instead of me having to go out of my way to mentioning to the “average” person how much better Linux is compared to Windows THEY are telling me! I am lately seeing more Linux users and hearing about more Linux usage from people I would have never expected even knew about it.
What I also know is a fact is that Microsoft has been “dead money” since their stock split around 2000 which is why so many people with financial ties to Microsoft in some form or another waste so much time posting on Linux blogs and websites. (pumping for Bill and Steve)
http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=MSFT+Interactive#chart1:symbol=msft;range=my;indicator=volume;charttype=line;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=on;source=undefined
While during the same period RedHat has been on a nice steady growth curve.
http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=RHT+Interactive#chart1:symbol=rht;range=my;indicator=volume;charttype=line;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=on;source=undefined
Just before Vista’s release one of my clients asked me what I thought about his shares in Microsoft. I had read enough to know that Vista was likely to be a bomb so I told him I thought MSFT would get a bump up after its release but would likely tank once the public found out how really bad it was. That is exactly what it did. I forgot about the conversation but he didn’t. Several months later he called and said he wanted to thank me. I was mystified but later he went on to remind me of the earlier conversation. He had made a nice tidy little profit from dumping his shares and was happily no longer a share holder in what has proven to continue to be “dead money”.
Times are changing. Microsoft shot both feet off with Vista and that left them playing catchup with Win7. When I have business clients telling me that, and I quote, “Windows 7 is a piece of sh*t” you can bet that the numbers of Linux users are higher than Ballmer or “Pantloadicus Craptalkticus” would care to admit to shareholders and the general public and are on a steady increase.
Of course……thats why he hangs out here isn’t it.
“So you remain ignorant of their contents and bravely resist changing your tune, implying that they must be bogus?”
Newsflash, world is never black or white. Just because someone says something you should always take it with a grain of salt. One should NEVER rely on one source of informations. Notice how many services just copy&paste many “news” , that is a very strong marketing tool one can use (if one has enough money).
You know, for all our sake i would love to see M$ lose the market share. Not because i don’t like them for what they did/do (a bit yes but that’s not the case), i’d love to see them for one reason, they would have to start competing by quality and not by marketing. Notice the IE9 situation, before they felt threatened they produced a browser of a doubtful quality, right now they try hard to produce something good that will cater to the people. Competition is always a good thing because then the end users win
“Hmmmmm, no facts there, no numbers either. Just more of the usual “neener neener” routine this clown posts.”
LOL, Mr. Bear! How many numbers do you need to show you that a web site that proudly proclaims itself to be “the number one website for developers” is oriented to the techno-dweeb side? You seem to have missed the pith of the matter in that you worry about other numbers rather than the logic of what group would be more likely to use Linux, i.e. the facebook crowd or the developers. Also, the numbers cited by Robert show a 95% preference for something other than Linux by this tech-oriented crowd itself. If you best case shows you to be losing 19-1, you should think about another sport! Quit being such a chump.
“Several months later he called and said he wanted to thank me. I was mystified …”
Aside from the blatent crudeness of your anecdote wherein you claim to be some sort of financial advisor or market analyst, I find it amusing to note that you were “mystified” and so demonstrate that such praise is unusual to your experiences. LOL.
“Pantloadicus Craptalkticus” is presented as evidence of your inherently suave approach to life and its problems? If you want to look more adult, I would suggest you refrain from such school-boy slurs, too.
Lots of ordinary, non-techie, folks create websites and need the basics of HTML. e.g. see GROKLAW, or any forum on the web that allows HTML posts. Web developers can work on any platform. The serious ones will have multiple browsers/OS to test the result so the visitors to W3Schools do not necessarily have to be computer geeks or Free Software fans. Several parts of the site are M$-centric.
“LOL, Mr. Bear! How many numbers do you need to show you that a web site that proudly proclaims itself to be “the number one website for developers” is oriented to the techno-dweeb side?”
What kind of moron starts out by using “LOL”? (this kind apparently)
Of course its oriented towards “geeks”. Sites like that usually are. Again….duh.
“Aside from the blatent crudeness of your anecdote wherein you claim to be some sort of financial advisor or market analyst”
No where did I claim to be a “financial advisor or market analyst”. You made that claim, not me. I didn’t need any special powers to see what a train wreck Vista was going to be other than the ability to read tech articles and reviews about it prior to its release. I simply told my client what I thought was likely to happen based on what I had read. I turned out to be right and he was happy that I was.
““Pantloadicus Craptalkticus” is presented as evidence of your inherently suave approach to life and its problems? If you want to look more adult, I would suggest you refrain from such school-boy slurs, too.”
Hey, if the “pants” fit wear em I say. I would suggest you shove your opinions along with your paycheck up where the Sun don’t shine. You’re an obvious shill pretending to have an opinion. Your opinions vary depending upon the amount and who pays the bill. In other words you have no opinions unless someone pays you to have them.
You’re a loser hanging out on a Linux blog attempting to make the blog owner look foolish with your witless posts. Your posts have so far lacked any sort of real facts or information so the only one looking foolish….is you. Move on “chump”. You should go preach to your fellow M$ fanbois. Better hurry, that audience is steadily decreasing.
“Lots of ordinary, non-techie, folks create websites …”
So the 95% using something other than Linux there are all non-techies? Get a clue, Robert. You dismiss the general purpose statistics in favor of the one heavily biased towards developers and still you cannot muster an sort of up vector. You are doomed to despair and frustration, Robert. Take a chew of your salami and take up ice fishing and be more productive.
“I simply told my client what I thought was likely to happen based on what I had read. I turned out to be right and he was happy that I was.”
It just gets better and better, Mr. Bear! You are just too much. So you have “clients” who take financial advice from you based on “what you have read”. Remember your tale, i.e. “Just before Vista’s release one of my clients asked me what I thought about his shares in Microsoft. I had read enough to know that Vista was likely to be a bomb so I told him I thought MSFT would get a bump up after its release but would likely tank once the public found out how really bad it was. That is exactly what it did. I forgot about the conversation but he didn’t. Several months later he called and said he wanted to thank me. I was mystified but later he went on to remind me of the earlier conversation. He had made a nice tidy little profit from dumping his shares and was happily no longer a share holder in what has proven to continue to be “dead money”. ”
Now I suspect and you would know that all of this is a pure fiction that you invented to suggest that you are a sophisticated observer of the tech scene, but your use of school-boy potty humor belies any such thing.
Relying on one stat’s isn’t really that reliable, it’s best to choose the middle one, which is 1.5%
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems
Wikipedia might tell the “truth” about markesshare of Linux – but only amoung english speaking language countries : US, UK, majority of Canada, Australia, etc… It’s about 2% for Linux.
Now we know very well that Linux is indeed much popular in other countries like Germany, France, Finland, Brazil, S-Africa…
My guess is that the global marketshare of Linux is propably 4-5%, at least after boom of Android. Perhaps W3schools’s numbers are near the truth.