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		<title>By: Robert Pogson</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2010/02/06/matt-asay-moves-to-ubuntu/comment-page-1/#comment-12411</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Pogson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 00:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is going too far. Ubuntu does things differently than Debian, I will grant you, but they still support and contribute a lot to FLOSS. That they can do that and approach break-even is great for everyone. Ubuntu/Canonical cannot be bought out by M$. Shuttleworth does not need M$&#039;s money and many of the folks who work in Ubuntu are not the least bit interested in doing things M$&#039;s way. They have a better way now.

 At a recent conference, Shuttleworth spoke about releasing on schedule and tuning the user interface. There is no goal or leadership he needs from M$. They do need some salesmanship both for OEMs/retail and business in general. Matt Asay will likely help them a lot with that. If you read some of the internal documents from M$ released through Comes v M$, you will find this gem: &lt;a href=&quot;http://groklaw.net/pdf/iowa/www.iowaconsumercase.org/011607/6000/PX06117.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;PX06117&lt;/a&gt; which outlines the state of M$&#039;s business in 1997. If M$ put a tiny fraction of the effort into building good software that they did in ramping up sales and excluding competing businesses and technologies, they would be unbeatable. They did not and they are not unbeatable. GNU/Linux in all its various forms is a much better product, but it still must be sold. Matt Asay can make a difference. I hope it is for the better. Canonical does not have to do anything that departs from FLOSS protocols to beat M$. They do have to make more deals with the likes of IBM and some OEMS. Canonical has to convince OEMs and retailers that there is money to be made selling less expensive PCs and gadgets. That will not be easy because the OEMs gets enough from the customer to pay M$ and the OEM well for selling that other OS. They will get less for selling GNU/Linux but they still can make money. Suppose the consumer pays $100 for the OS when purchasing a PC. The retailer wants $30. M$ wants $50. That leaves $20 for the OEM. The customer could pay $50 for GNU/Linux and the OEM and retailer get the same leaving nothing for M$. If you can convince the OEMs that they can sell as many or more PCs with a $50 reduction in price to the consumer, it might fly. They need to see a reason to change, though, like Vista, and more malware and returned PCs. Good PCs made with GNU/Linux should cost the retailers less to sell and to service, but Canonical and others will have to demonstrate that to them. All the infrastructure is out there to support or to parasitize the monopoly. Canonical has to build the equivalent structure for GNU/Linux. It does not involve using non-free software, just engineering and good business sense. You would think that business would like less expensive stuff but they are stuck on inflation and the burden of M$. They just do not see it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is going too far. Ubuntu does things differently than Debian, I will grant you, but they still support and contribute a lot to FLOSS. That they can do that and approach break-even is great for everyone. Ubuntu/Canonical cannot be bought out by M$. Shuttleworth does not need M$&#8217;s money and many of the folks who work in Ubuntu are not the least bit interested in doing things M$&#8217;s way. They have a better way now.</p>
<p> At a recent conference, Shuttleworth spoke about releasing on schedule and tuning the user interface. There is no goal or leadership he needs from M$. They do need some salesmanship both for OEMs/retail and business in general. Matt Asay will likely help them a lot with that. If you read some of the internal documents from M$ released through Comes v M$, you will find this gem: <a href="http://groklaw.net/pdf/iowa/www.iowaconsumercase.org/011607/6000/PX06117.pdf" rel="nofollow">PX06117</a> which outlines the state of M$&#8217;s business in 1997. If M$ put a tiny fraction of the effort into building good software that they did in ramping up sales and excluding competing businesses and technologies, they would be unbeatable. They did not and they are not unbeatable. GNU/Linux in all its various forms is a much better product, but it still must be sold. Matt Asay can make a difference. I hope it is for the better. Canonical does not have to do anything that departs from FLOSS protocols to beat M$. They do have to make more deals with the likes of IBM and some OEMS. Canonical has to convince OEMs and retailers that there is money to be made selling less expensive PCs and gadgets. That will not be easy because the OEMs gets enough from the customer to pay M$ and the OEM well for selling that other OS. They will get less for selling GNU/Linux but they still can make money. Suppose the consumer pays $100 for the OS when purchasing a PC. The retailer wants $30. M$ wants $50. That leaves $20 for the OEM. The customer could pay $50 for GNU/Linux and the OEM and retailer get the same leaving nothing for M$. If you can convince the OEMs that they can sell as many or more PCs with a $50 reduction in price to the consumer, it might fly. They need to see a reason to change, though, like Vista, and more malware and returned PCs. Good PCs made with GNU/Linux should cost the retailers less to sell and to service, but Canonical and others will have to demonstrate that to them. All the infrastructure is out there to support or to parasitize the monopoly. Canonical has to build the equivalent structure for GNU/Linux. It does not involve using non-free software, just engineering and good business sense. You would think that business would like less expensive stuff but they are stuck on inflation and the burden of M$. They just do not see it.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Chapman</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2010/02/06/matt-asay-moves-to-ubuntu/comment-page-1/#comment-12410</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Chapman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 22:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was my unfortunate association that makes it appear that I was calling Matt Asay is a shill.  He is not, at least in my eyes he isn&#039;t.  

There is nothing wrong with earning money with Open Source.  But if it&#039;s used to launch a start-up into a $uccessful, publicly traded company that abandons Open Source while poisoning the feeding trough for everyone else, then those who endeavor to do that should at least be called on it before too much damage is done.

I&#039;ve seen a number of comments in past months that marginalize the Free Software Movement, favoring Open Source instead.  That would be killing the goose who lays the golden eggs.  No more &quot;golden eggs&quot;, no more Open Source.

I have already given up on Ubuntu.  They are chipping away at their Open Source foundation.  When they are done they&#039;ll either collapse, or they&#039;ll be Microsoft&#039;s Windows 9 and Mark Shuttleworth will be a few billion dollars richer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was my unfortunate association that makes it appear that I was calling Matt Asay is a shill.  He is not, at least in my eyes he isn&#8217;t.  </p>
<p>There is nothing wrong with earning money with Open Source.  But if it&#8217;s used to launch a start-up into a $uccessful, publicly traded company that abandons Open Source while poisoning the feeding trough for everyone else, then those who endeavor to do that should at least be called on it before too much damage is done.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen a number of comments in past months that marginalize the Free Software Movement, favoring Open Source instead.  That would be killing the goose who lays the golden eggs.  No more &#8220;golden eggs&#8221;, no more Open Source.</p>
<p>I have already given up on Ubuntu.  They are chipping away at their Open Source foundation.  When they are done they&#8217;ll either collapse, or they&#8217;ll be Microsoft&#8217;s Windows 9 and Mark Shuttleworth will be a few billion dollars richer.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Pogson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Pogson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 19:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope you are wrong. M$ is spending hundreds of millions of dollars on keeping GNU/Linux out of the running but I cannot see Matt Asay as one of the shills. I would expect his role would lead to establishing business relationships and markets rather than tinkering much with the product. M$ works harder at strengthening its monopoly than on strengthening their product. It would be worth a lot to them to disrupt Ubuntu. The mono thing is a concern but the vast bulk of our software is not based on mono and likely will never be because that makes too many layers. One can argue whether Wine/mono is good or bad for FLOSS but the hiring seems to be unrelated. Shuttleworth knew what had to be done and he will still have input on the product side. Matt will most likely add a lot to the marketing side. It sure would be wonderful if he could get an OEM to promote GNU/Linux instead of using it as leverage against M$ in negotiations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope you are wrong. M$ is spending hundreds of millions of dollars on keeping GNU/Linux out of the running but I cannot see Matt Asay as one of the shills. I would expect his role would lead to establishing business relationships and markets rather than tinkering much with the product. M$ works harder at strengthening its monopoly than on strengthening their product. It would be worth a lot to them to disrupt Ubuntu. The mono thing is a concern but the vast bulk of our software is not based on mono and likely will never be because that makes too many layers. One can argue whether Wine/mono is good or bad for FLOSS but the hiring seems to be unrelated. Shuttleworth knew what had to be done and he will still have input on the product side. Matt will most likely add a lot to the marketing side. It sure would be wonderful if he could get an OEM to promote GNU/Linux instead of using it as leverage against M$ in negotiations.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Chapman</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2010/02/06/matt-asay-moves-to-ubuntu/comment-page-1/#comment-12405</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Chapman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 18:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ubuntu seems to be drifting toward the Microsoft vortex.  When Matt hops on board his inertia will not hinder that drift.  No company, dependent on FOSS, would dare disrupt their relationship to the wider Open Source community by making a large shift in alliances.  But by taking small steps, Ubuntu&#039;s users will become acclimated to their new relationship with Canonical.

There&#039;s a large army of paid Microsoft shills pecking away at the foundations that hold GNU/Linux users into a market phalanx.  All the FUD, all the shills and all the phony surveys, reviews and studies put a value on GNU/Linux.  If the bounty for GNU/Linux and Open Source is that high, then it&#039;s worth keeping it safe from the bounty hunters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ubuntu seems to be drifting toward the Microsoft vortex.  When Matt hops on board his inertia will not hinder that drift.  No company, dependent on FOSS, would dare disrupt their relationship to the wider Open Source community by making a large shift in alliances.  But by taking small steps, Ubuntu&#8217;s users will become acclimated to their new relationship with Canonical.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a large army of paid Microsoft shills pecking away at the foundations that hold GNU/Linux users into a market phalanx.  All the FUD, all the shills and all the phony surveys, reviews and studies put a value on GNU/Linux.  If the bounty for GNU/Linux and Open Source is that high, then it&#8217;s worth keeping it safe from the bounty hunters.</p>
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